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New Subsection Brakdown

I suggest breaking down the new subsection into three additional subsections along Pike's study and differentiation of the three major finds of graves. TDC 16:28, August 4, 2005 (UTC)

Hard to Read

These sections are bundled into really long paragraphs loaded with long sentences, many of the sentences containing two or three separate points. It all needs to be seriously revamped and broken up for ease of reading.

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Authenticity of information

There is no credible evidence that it was carried out by the North Vietnamese Army or the US Army. But the opening content firmly asserts that it was made by the North Vietnamese, making it look like anti-North Vietnamese propaganda in particular and the Communists say they are American and anti-Communist. Even on the website in Vietnamese, only mention is detected and not exactly which party is mentioned. on sensitive issues like this should be written in a neutral way rather than trying to push the blame on one side. And if you value freedom of speech, don't ban others if they disagree with you Thtruth (talk) 18:11, 12 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The credible evidence is sourced throughout the article. There is no question that the massacre was conducted by the NVA nor is there any question that it was planned in advance or celebrated afterward. How do you write "in a neutral way" that a massacre occurred and was planned to occur by the actors who did it without identifying the actors?

The Vietnamese Wikipedia is controlled by and written by the communist party of Vietnam, and they, of course, want to deny that the massacre happened and that they were responsible for it. But their own documentation and statements by their own party members, as documented in the article, admit to, describe, and celebrate the massacre. Truth is not propaganda.

You write "and the Communists say they are American and anti-Communist". What is the they that you refer to? The massacre? Txantimedia (talk) 19:57, 12 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Txantimedia is absolutely right, the massacre was perpetrated by the PAVN/VC, multiple WP:RS confirm this. Vietnamese sources are not reliable given the Censorship in Vietnam. Mztourist (talk) 03:14, 13 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I don't think so, The are no censorship for that and literally everyone in Vietnam knows what happened, so you and Txantimedia are wrong. LongnamXL35 (talk) 16:05, 5 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

He's not right. Both sides did it, not just the North, the South and The US also did it. The South and the US just deny it and blame to the North and the North also denies it and blames to the South and The US. Both sides make their own propaganda to tell everyone they didn't did it, that means both sides have no reliable sources at all. LongnamXL35 (talk) 23:54, 5 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Here is ONE paragraph from the Vietnamese Wikipedia version of the Hue Massacre.

So far, documents from both Vietnam and the United States have been responsible for each other for the cause and authenticity of this event. Meanwhile, the opposition to the war (such as Gareth Porter) and many Western scholars affirmed that the number and circumstances of the killers were amplified by the US and Vietnam Republic to serve to serve to serve Purpose of propaganda during the war. [2] [3] [4] [5] [6] [7] [8] The source from the Liberation Army, noted that they had buried many civilians dying due to heavy fire of the US and their soldiers died. [9] [10] There are also many other sources that the number of deaths in Hue in this campaign is due to firepower in the effort to recapture the US and the revenge of the Republic of Vietnam on the supporters of the Liberation Army. . [11] [12] [13]

Now all you have to do is overcome the massive amount of documentation from all of the PAVN, NLF, RVN, and US sources used in this article that demonstrate that a massive planned massacre was perpetrated by the communist side. Txantimedia (talk) 00:05, 6 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Both sides did it, both sides deny it, both sides make propaganda to blame each other. LongnamXL35 (talk) 04:25, 6 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Both sides committed massacres. Both sides do not deny it. The Hue Massacre was committed by the North Vietnamese communists, as the article proves. If you have reliable evidence that can overcome all the reliable evidence cited in the article, then post it here, and we can discuss it. Txantimedia (talk) 17:44, 6 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Stop just blame the communist, both side did it, you can't just support the South like that. LongnamXL35 (talk) 04:10, 7 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Provide reliable sources to show that both sides did it. Otherwise this conversation is futile. Unless you can provide reliable sources to demonstrate that both sides were involved in the massacre at Hue, I'm not going to respond to you again. But you have a high hill to climb considering how much evidence already exists demonstrating that the communists committed the massacre. Txantimedia (talk) 04:25, 7 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I agree with Txantimedia, provide WP:RS otherwise there is no change. Mztourist (talk) 07:48, 8 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

There's a magazine like this, it's not related but it proves that the Liberator is not that bad.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DVqM6K8UQAARS6D.jpg:large LongnamXL35 (talk) 05:35, 10 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

That proves absolutely nothing. Frankly they were lucky they weren't executed also. Mztourist (talk) 02:53, 11 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

you just talking like a reactionary would talk. LongnamXL35 (talk) 12:16, 18 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

They have a reason to kill, and already knows it's bad but they have no choice because those people resist them. LongnamXL35 (talk) 12:17, 18 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

"reactionary"? that's hilarious. Unarmed people resisted them so that's "a reason to kill"? That's the definition of a massacre/war crime. Mztourist (talk) 02:59, 19 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

No. People resists to following the communist are deserve to be cleansed. The North will not kill anymore if they accept to live with the communist. Also, you don't even understand what's reactionary means, right? LongnamXL35 (talk) 13:17, 21 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Right-wing written article

This article is might have been written by a right-winger, which doesn't have any neutral opinions at all. LongnamXL35 (talk) 15:40, 1 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]